Comments on online communities and free desktops: ownCloud - development started

Have you seen Opera Unite? That system looks inte...

2010-03-18T15:19:41.984+01:00

Have you seen Opera Unite?
That system looks interesting to me.

I'd love a common database+file storage system+server the plugin support!

Seamless integration in anything you want FTW!

to make the system easily manageable and clean, wh...

2010-03-17T05:19:32.147+01:00

to make the system easily manageable and clean, why not look into http://www.nixos.org ? (There is a nice explanation on lwn.net )

Thank you for all the great comments. I suggest to...

2010-03-16T09:06:49.827+01:00

Thank you for all the great comments. I suggest to move the discussion to our new malinglist. Subscribe here: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud

Cheers
Frank

Not sure how I feel about the idea of integrating ...

2010-03-16T07:38:49.650+01:00

Not sure how I feel about the idea of integrating it with Ampache; it definitely has some benefits, as Ian Monroe mentioned above.

However, my biggest gripe while using it with Amarok was the lack of tight integration with the great features that Amarok provides for local collections. Ampache was convenient for occasional use, but I found myself greatly missing things like access to my dynamic playlists, rating and score information, podcasts, etc. I think it's great that we can use Amarok to connect to an existing Ampache server seamlessly, but it would be even better if I could connect directly to a remote Amarok collection.

You said you were aiming for "a personal server companion to your KDE Desktop/Netbook/Mobile." I think this would be much better accomplished by leveraging the feature-filled technologies that already exist in, and are tightly integrated into the KDE Software ecosystem.

The main benefits of using Ampache are basically not having to create a web interface or write collection-scanning code. But if you borrow the collection code from Amarok, you could even establish something like a remote, headless Amarok server that supports all the features of Amarok collections -- similar to the external MySQL database Amarok currently allows, but including things like playlists, configuration settings, internet service settings, etc. This would work out very nicely for those people that would rather install ownCloud on a standalone server rather than their personal computers.

Hello Frank, for deploying ownCloud servers everyw...

2010-03-15T21:56:17.588+01:00

Hello Frank,
for deploying ownCloud servers everywhere (on cloud computing spaces, on one's own server as a full boot, inside virtual machines), there's a cool tool growing named cloudlets.
I am not a developer of it, but find it nice : http://bitbucket.org/dotcloud/cloudlets/

Take care !

About the smartphone? Can use all O.S?

2010-03-15T19:14:51.060+01:00

About the smartphone? Can use all O.S?

Bernhard: The error you're getting sounds like...

2010-03-15T09:45:32.047+01:00

Bernhard: The error you're getting sounds like something similar to one I got when I first tried it out. The problem was in line 39 of config/config.php. Somehow the include path doesn't get set correctly if you don't put owncloud in the root or your webserver. I think I saw somebody mention it on the mailing list also, but see if putting in your root web directory fixes that.

PS: Backups, versioning etc. could be implemented ...

2010-03-15T00:59:30.703+01:00

PS:
Backups, versioning etc. could be implemented with git or bzr.

It will definitely need a component for rights-man...

2010-03-15T00:52:51.346+01:00

It will definitely need a component for rights-management. I think you people want to share data, so it would be a key-feature.
Why should we need a C++-based server-implementation?
1. There are some purists
2. (much more important) OwnCloud should also allow P2P transactions and I do not think that a local apache-installation would be the best way.

The User

@Ian Thank you for your feedback. I will check how...

2010-03-14T22:12:31.711+01:00

@Ian Thank you for your feedback. I will check how Ampache can be integrated. :-)

And oh yea: I'd encourage you to look to look ...

2010-03-14T16:09:11.521+01:00

And oh yea: I'd encourage you to look to look into doing something similar to what Akonadi does with MySQL (basically starting a new mysql instance to avoid manual configuration) instead of using sqlite. Sqlite doesn't scale well and also my Ampache suggestion wouldn't work out either. :)

I don't see the point of a C++ version if PHP ...

2010-03-14T15:23:12.182+01:00

I don't see the point of a C++ version if PHP is working. :)

Since ownCloud is already a LAMP thing, I'd suggest that the music server 'plugin' just be Ampache. It scans music, has a nice web interface and integrates with Amarok already.

So the trick would be to install the Ampache plugin with no additional setup over the original ownCloud setup. The hard part would be using the same authentication scheme. But overall these are pretty minor problems compared to writing an entire music server from scratch. :)

hey! Looks like a very intresting project :-) I tr...

2010-03-14T13:21:50.619+01:00

hey!
Looks like a very intresting project :-)
I tried to get it running on my freshly set up debian 5.0 server, checked out the source in /var/www/owncloud and tried to run index.php but it tells me that require_once(lib_base.php) can't find the config.php.... Is this known, as this is still very early in the project life cycle, or did i make any mistakes? A normal index.php showing phpinfo works....
Sorry that i can't provide you with all details but i'm writing this on my phone on my way to work...

Thanks for your great work so far :-)

Wow, great! Since I have my own server, I looked f...

2010-03-14T13:06:24.526+01:00

Wow, great! Since I have my own server, I looked for a long tim for something like it, and at last I went on dropbox. I love dropbox, but I don't like that is closed source :-(
Your project seems the solution for me!
How can I contribute? I'm not a programmer, but I can write some documentation and some translation to Italian! Feel free to contact me!

I think that http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt libraries...

2010-03-14T12:35:35.129+01:00

I think that http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt libraries would be useful to write a C/C++ version of ownCloud.

And thank you for all the kind words. Let´s make ...

2010-03-14T11:34:51.171+01:00

And thank you for all the kind words. Let´s make this happen together. :-)

@Dante: On of the usecases of ownCloud will be a s...

2010-03-14T11:34:05.799+01:00

@Dante: On of the usecases of ownCloud will be a syncing solution like Dropbox or Ubuntu One. But it will do more hopefully. :-)

@CaStarCo I know eyeOS very well. I´m running eyeO...

2010-03-14T11:33:06.179+01:00

@CaStarCo I know eyeOS very well. I´m running eyeOS-Apps.org. :-) It would be great if we could work together with them.

@Thomas: At the moment is is written in PHP becaus...

2010-03-14T11:31:58.188+01:00

@Thomas: At the moment is is written in PHP because it is easier to run this on a hosted server. But it would be great, if someone write a version in C/C++ of course.

Have you seen the eyeos.org project? It's some...

2010-03-14T11:14:12.763+01:00

Have you seen the eyeos.org project? It's something related with your project because covers some of the functionalities that you want to add in onwCloud. ¿perhaps it could be integrated with ownCloud?

I find this project very interesting, but I'm not an experienced programmer, if I want to collaborate.. where i can start?

Would this operate in the same way as Ubuntu One/D...

2010-03-14T11:10:20.088+01:00

Would this operate in the same way as Ubuntu One/DropBox? I'm a great user of Ubuntu One, and if all I needed to do was have a synced file between my computers...

As a user I am very happy that this is PHP based, ...

2010-03-13T22:41:12.498+01:00

As a user I am very happy that this is PHP based, as there are numerous cheap PHP web hosters available. For a C++/QT server you would need a dedicated server.

Awesome :) This is one of those projects that eve...

2010-03-13T19:15:08.551+01:00

Awesome :) This is one of those projects that everyone had a vague idea they wanted but nobody thought it through, let alone wrote real code for it.
Thanks for being the exception and *doing* it :)

As a KDE hacker I kind of assumed this would end up being a C++/Qt based server, looking at the sources I only found php stuff so far. Did I miss it? Or is your intend to make it an app run inside the webserver?

I have been writing various classes that make interaction with git easier. But those are all C++/Qt based, if you are interested let me know. They are currently GPLv3, but I'm willing to dual/relicense them if you want. Code on gitorious under 'coldstorage' and 'vng'.

Well, as it is plugin-based, I guess it would be v...

2010-03-13T18:56:25.121+01:00

Well, as it is plugin-based, I guess it would be very possible to code an Akonadi plugin : it just takes someone to code it (and it won't be me hinhin).
I'm already enjoying the centralized KDE configuration :) ! And I just hope ownCloud and it's KDE integration can be released before the 4.6 (or 4.5 ?).

2010-03-13T17:19:56.082+01:00

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